Living Together

2009 July 3
by Alex

The Shas Housing Minister Ariel Atlas is an opponent of Israeli democracy:

“I see [it] as a national duty to prevent the spread of a population that, to say the least, does not love the State of Israel,” Atlas told a conference of the Israel Bar Association, which focused on reforming Israel’s Land Administration.

This is profoundly anti-democratic. All Israeli citizens should have the right to live wherever they want in the country. If they act against the state, they should be prosecuted. 

He continued, “if we go on like we have until now, we will lose the Galilee [i.e. to Jews]. Populations that should not mix are spreading there. I don’t think that it’s appropriate [for them] to live together.”

Always beware those who would tell you who it’s appropriate and not appropriate for you to live with. It is none of their business. And lest you think he merely doesn’t want Jews living with Arabs:

“There is a severe housing crisis among the young ultra-Orthodox couples, and in the general population. I, as an Ultra-Orthodox Jew, don’t think that religious Jews should have to live in the same neighbourhood as secular couples, so as to avoid unnecessary friction. And since some 5,000 to 6,000 religious couples get married each year, a problem arises because they require a certain kind of community life that goes along with their lifestyle.”

Tough. In a democratic country people must learn to live alongside those with different lifestyles. I live in a neighbourhood which is about 30% religious and there are no problems. Here’s an example: Now it’s summer, I go to the laundrette late on Saturday-afternoon. I carry my clothes in a suitcase, the rumbling of the wheels creating an echo in the alleys of the Vineyard. If I do my washing while there are services in synagogue, I take a detour so as not to disturb prayers. But nobody forces me to do so. If I walked past with my suitcase, or talking on my mobile, there would not be a riot. Religious and secular people are quite capable of living side-by-side, and we do not need Mr Atlas to set the bar for integration so low.

It’s ok though. There is a solution: “I plan to market large amounts of land to the Arab population in the Galilee in order to solve their problems, as well as land for secular and religious Jews.”

I did not come to Zion to live in a box; I came here to be an Israeli. The key to saving Israeli democracy is to promote a shared sense of Israeliness among all the different populations in this country. This is no wild fantasy, and is the only way to save the state from the racism and intolerance of our Housing Minister.

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2009 July 3
amira de hoth permalink

“I did not come to Zion to live in a box”

Speak for yourself.

I came here thanks to a chance meeting with Nefesh b’Nefesh’s homeless outreach programme, and they made all the necessary arrangements for me to leave the squalor of my park bench in Euston far behind me, finding me accommodation in a charming, pied-a-terre made out of a recycled Supersol cardboard box, conveniently located on the central reservation of the Ayalon, a stone’s throw from my office on the verge next to the sign for the Kibbutz Galuyot exit.

As my old mate Wild Warren Street Warren used to say, ‘if you will it, it is no meths-induced psychosis’

2009 July 3
Gabriel permalink

“Religious and secular people are quite capable of living side-by-side, and we do not need Mr Atlas to set the bar for integration so low.”

Only when the seculars are the dominant group. “Mutual respect” almost always means secular people respecting the religious. The problem is that democracy and religion don’t go well together. Democracy is about granting rights, religion is about taking them away.

2009 July 4

Ariel Atias: ‘Apartheid we can believe in!’

It’s no small danger: an Israel full of Mad Zionist types…

2009 July 4

And you must forgive this ‘anti-Zionist vulture’ here for being amused at the rise of the Religious Right in Israel. We are, after all, told frequently that the root cause of the problem if Muslim intransigence and that their particular copy of the Holy Scrolls is incompatible with the existence of the Zionist Entity…

I’ve always believed mortal enemies end up mirroring each other. Well, looking at some factions of the Ultimate Far Religious Zionist Right, you can see that these aren’t really much meeker than the worst elements of Hamas.

The dreaded Press TV recently aired another doc called ‘Rise of the Israeli Right’. Granted that it wasn’t very good because it really concentrated on true fanatics (I can’t even remember the name of the group, led by Baruch Marzel), they were a sight to behold with their toy Kalashnikovs, emulating Baruch Goldstein…

2009 July 4
Chaim permalink

Hi Alex,
I’ll start with the easy part–you’re obviously right to find what Atias said vile. But I think there are two separate things he violates that it’s important to distinguish: integration of citizens has some history as a Zionist goal, and you’re right to say he violates that, but I think it’s worse that he’s violating a core liberal principle of freedom of domicile for a segregationist purpose. The state’s commitment to freedom of domicile means there’s a limit to how far it can go in imposing integration, and there’d be something illiberal in the state’s saying to, say the ultra-Orthodox of Meah She’arim in J’m, ” you must allow x # of secular Israelis to live among you for the sake of promoting integration.” But if that’s illiberal, then so too, obviously, is government _encouragement_ of segregation. There’s a certain degree of illiberalism for the sake of _integration_ that I personally don’t think is so bad. But one might expect a government minister in a Zionist state that is also a liberal democracy, even if he didn’t share the Zionist goal of integration, to at least be committed to the liberal principle of state neutrality. I won’t say I’m shocked to see that a Shas minister has turned out to have neither of those commitments, but his _being_ a minister is, when you think about it, crazy.

2009 July 4

Thanks Chaim – and good to see you on here!

2009 July 6

The Hareidi politicos preaching a return to the walled off ghetto can be almost as vile and noxious as the Achshav Shalom activists… almost.
Read this
if you want to see the converse of what happens when the arabs and the radical left align to ban religious Jews from obtaining housing. Of course, those on the left who believe with all their heart, all their soul, and all their being that creating a Judenrein Judea, Judenrein Samaria, Judenrein Gaza, Judenrein East Jerusalem, and Judenrein Golan is righteous have no moral leg to stand on when it comes to fighting segregationist practices among the Shtetlists.

2009 July 9
Sam permalink

Alex: I did not come to Zion to live in a box; I came here to be an Israeli.

What was the problem with being simply British?

2009 July 9

Sam – I’m a Zionist.

2009 July 13
Greg permalink

@Mad Zionist:
But those on the left don’t believe in Jewish rule in those places you name.
Now can we criticise the racism of the right?

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