Just like the Warsaw Ghetto worked to keep the Jews under control. Nothing like incarcerating those who resist occupation to deflate their sense of injury.

Too bad they happen to be indigenous to the land eh? Never mind that a “mass influx” of foreign Jews which they objected to has landed on their land anyway [and continues to do so]

Now you’ve asked an interesting question Gert – why has it been so long since we had a ‘big’ suicide bombing in Israel? Is it because of the security barrier? Is it because of the Shin Bet? Is it because the West Bank Palestinians are generally not interested in it anymore? I DO NOT know to be 100% honest – it could be a mixture of everything …

There’s no magic bullet, no shortcut to good old fashioned police work: ‘Hey, hey, hey, what have we here? You’re nicked, Sunshine!’

It’s probably working alright: when was the last successful suicide attack in Israel?

“the Israeli citizen (Jew or Arab) who helps a suicide bomber is obviously a criminal”

So find a way to stop him, or get him out of our country, before he pulls the stunt. Once you come up with the idea, I’ll find a way to get it to the Knesset.

“he chances that such a criminal would answer the questions asked in a loyalty test honestly and truthfully are zilch.”

Maybe we can offer him a piece of baklava to ensure honest answers?

“Would peaceful Arab protesters be more inclined to assist suicide bombers?”

I’ve never seen the words ‘peaceful’ and ’suicide bombers’ in one sentence. I guess there’s a first time for everything.

… I wonder how Alex is enjoying his 90s party.

(Better?)”

Damn you!!! (but yes…)

“Now if you try to preempt it, you’ll be saving lives. I’m not sure if it would successfully preempt it but something needs to be done about it.”

And before you know it you’ve squandered the Civil Rights of ordinary citizens, without much to show for…

You could also install a program of mass surveillance. Hum, yummy!

“Would they help a suicide bomber get into a mall?”

We’re going in circles here: the Israeli citizen (Jew or Arab) who helps a suicide bomber is obviously a criminal. The chances that such a criminal would answer the questions asked in a loyalty test honestly and truthfully are zilch.
Would peaceful Arab protesters be more inclined to assist suicide bombers? Careful where you go with that one…

You’re walking headlong into a trap: the Naqba prohibition and loyalty test thingies were never designed to pass the Knesset. They were designed to attract voters. Now go put your dunce cap on and stand in the corner for half an hour

Lieberman’s a demagogue.

But it doesn’t stop people from helping non-stop. Now if you try to preempt it, you’ll be saving lives. I’m not sure if it would successfully preempt it but something needs to be done about it.

“no loyalty tests are needed to establish culpability: it’s a common law crime.”

you’re right – but that doesn’t prevent innocents – Jew & non-Jew – of dying when ‘the common law crime’ is overlooked.

” it creates a false sense of security”

I agree … A lot of the things we do in this world today security wise do that.

” ‘no, I had Mahmoud over there pack it for me!’”

HA HA HA … You made me laugh, I might use that line one day (but in a joke, not at the airport). Reminds me of Stiller in Meet the Parents, “Bomb ba ba bomb bomb”

“it’s a fundamental right of a citizen of a State not to feel loyal to that State ”

I agree with this tbh but I think something needs to be done to deter any citizen of this country (and there’s been Jews, Druze and Muslims who’ve helped ‘the enemy’) from helping terrorists.

“would people like Gideon Levy, Uri Avnery, Amira Hass etc etc pass the loyalty test? ”

Would they help a suicide bomber get into a mall? As I’m rather certain they would not, I’m sure they would. Though I honestly don’t have any clue how this loyalty test would work – and there’s a good chance MOST Ultra Orthodox Jews would flunk it too.

“Gert – you are quite obsessed with HP aren’t you?”

Assume you’re right, does that make them any less obsessed with Galloway? Does pot and kettle make the pot less black?

“Now there’s a lot of pros & cons about this. But if you honestly looked at the frequent help afforded to Palestinian TERRORISTS (ie those looking to kill Israelis) by Israeli Arabs, you’d understand why this idea looks popular to many Israelis.”

Not really.

Firstly, like any country Israel has plenty of laws that make aiding and abetting terrorists illegal, no matter what nationality, ethnicity or religion the particular aider or abettor is. Aiding or abetting terrorism is illegal in any country, no loyalty tests are needed to establish culpability: it’s a common law crime.

Secondly, it creates a false sense of security: it’s like when you’re asked at the airport whether you’ve packed your bag yourself or not. Imagine the imbecile who’d answer: ‘no, I had Mahmoud over there pack it for me!’

Thirdly, it’s a fundamental right of a citizen of a State not to feel loyal to that State (taking criminal action against that State is an entirely different thing), it’s purely freedom of expression.

Fourthly, in the hands of an extremist Government such laws become a tool of totalitarianism: would people like Gideon Levy, Uri Avnery, Amira Hass etc etc pass the loyalty test? If they were honest possibly not…