No and No. It may surprise you that being a Zionist does not mean agreeing with everything (or even anything) the government does. Also, this far-right government is only far right in Israeli terms. Abbas is a Holocaust denier who seems to believe in the “Two-states for one people” model and whose “moderate” party still celebrates suicide bombers. (A Palestinian state for Palestinians and an Israeli state for Palestinians). How he is always seen as moderate while Lieberman is seen an extremist is ludicrous.

Anyway, you go can move to Ramallah anytime to show your jihadi brethren how you’re part of their cause. I’m sure you’ve been there before, right? Right? Er…maybe not. On second thought, just sit at your computer and spew anti-Semitic slurs against the Jews… pretending to be an anti-Zionist revolutionary must be so invigorating for the effete of heart.

My pleasure. I just hope ‘two states’ happen sooner rather than later, because both people are so messed up internally (I’d be surprised, no insult meant, if you knew how screwed up internally Israel was – for many reasons not related to the conflict) that they need a ‘break’ to fix themselves.

I’m a fixyerpeopleupist

Rarely have I met a more ‘principled’ hypocrite than you. Lemmesee, for at least two years I commented over at yours in the capacity of what Renegade Eye called ‘friendly opposition’. Despite you taking positions on Islam that were (quite literally) Hitlerian – calling for the extermination of all Muslims – not once you called for that, but over a prolonged period of time, not to mention your horrifying stance on homosexuals, I argued with you and some of your vilest trolls, reasonably and not entirely without success.

To this day you remain a committed transferist, not to mention a complete coward of course. Why a coward? Because from the soap box of your blog and the safety of your American home, you take positions that would make many on the Far Right in Israel blush. A ‘Revolutionary Zionist’? Gasbag more like…

Avram:

Thanks for your reply. It’s been noted.

There is an equivalence in many ways. That you are unwilling to see one is due to your bias (which I guess we can attribute to your anti-Zionism). There are many people who say what Ran Cohen say, far more who didn’t see at that time (especially with the treatment they received – a topic for another day I guess?). There are some that say that Israeli agents agitated the situation, the majority say no. You choose to believe a minority in your attempt to suggest that only one population suffered from massive displacement in this time period …

“you’re the one who dismissed a whole essay by Tony Karon on the gounds that is was “extremely left slanting analysis”.”

Alas, but I read it. And then I made up my opinion. If you want a rebuttal, you’d read moderate to right wing analysts of the situation. I doubt you do, and if you do, you’d say exactly what I said (but obviously, with different words). I’d just hope that when confronted with Palestinian attacks on Jews/Israelis to counter a rather shallow statement (an ‘apology’), you’d reply to the substance and not start using labels.

“Hamas has in fact slightly softened its stance slightly”

What does the first line of their charter still say? Care to quote it?

“do you believe the continued building (not just expansion) of settlements improves Israel’s security?”

I believe most of the settlements need to go. Building them is stupid. I also however believe that in the peace treaty Israel & Palestine will one day sign, there will be land swaps so that major population bases are not forced to be relocated drastically on either side.

“Israel has voted in the most rightwing”

You mean Lieberman? Who wants to split Jerusalem & has no issues with two states? (He’ll be in jail within 1-2 years I think, so don’t worry about him too much – he’s got some dirty connections to this German Jew, who alas also had strong connections to … Arik Sharon)

“Also, it’s impossible to take seriously someone who writes “Zios” the same way it is impossible to take seriously someone who writes “Palis”.”

That would be a very cheap cop out. Call me an anti-Zio if you like: it’s an abbreviation, no more. Hell, even the terms Zionist and anti-Zionist are hopelessly reductionist but I use them for the same reason that you do: because every one else does.

As regards ‘Palis’, it’s derogatory but only in a derogatory context. Same as e.g. ‘Limey’, not derogatory if I used in on myself.

But do try an honestly answer the questions above: very few Zionists do. I’m just curious…

Hamas has in fact slightly softened its stance slightly, that is simply undeniable.

By contrast, Israel has voted in the most rightwing, most rejectionist government in its history.

A few simple questions to both of you: do you believe the continued building (not just expansion) of settlements improves Israel’s security? Do you believe this serves another, justifiable purpose? And if so what is it?

Your claim of 950,000 displaced Arab Jews is absurd. As always you want to create equivalence where there is none. On the topic of ‘ethnically cleansed Arab Jews”, see this source:

Yehouda Shenhav

The organization’s claims infuriated many Arab Jews in Israel who defined themselves as Zionists. As early as 1975, at the time of WOJAC’s formation, Knesset speaker Yisrael Yeshayahu declared: “We are not refugees. [Some of us] came to this country before the state was born. We had messianic aspirations.” Shlomo Hillel, a government minister and an active Zionist in Iraq, adamantly opposed the analogy: “I don’t regard the departure of Jews from Arab lands as that of refugees. They came here because they wanted to, as Zionists.” In a Knesset hearing, Ran Cohen stated emphatically: “I have this to say: I am not a refugee.” He added: “I came at the behest of Zionism, due to the pull that this land exerts, and due to the idea of redemption. Nobody is going to define me as a refugee.” The opposition was so vociferous that Ora Schweitzer, chair of WOJAC’s political department, asked the organization’s secretariat to end its campaign. She reported that members of Strasburg’s Jewish community were so offended that they threatened to boycott organization meetings should the topic of “Sephardi Jews as refugees” ever come up again. Such remonstration precisely predicted the failure of the current organization, Justice for Jews from Arab Countries to inspire enthusiasm for its efforts.

As regards leftwing/rightwing, you’re the one who dismissed a whole essay by Tony Karon on the gounds that is was “extremely left slanting analysis”.