Comments on: Round and Round

By: Madzionist

Madzionist — Sun, 08 Feb 2009 03:50:52 +0000

Kumbaya, avram. I suspect the love-fest won’t last forever, but at least we can say we’ve had this moment together.

By: Avram

Avram — Sat, 07 Feb 2009 22:08:13 +0000

Look at that! If we can have ultra right and left wingers show love on the internet, perhaps there is a chance for the internal stability of Israel too!

**group hug everyone**

By: Madzionist

Madzionist — Fri, 06 Feb 2009 15:00:16 +0000

“Well, MZ, I guess your latest comment is somewhat of an improvement over “your selective ignorance is almost as spectacular as your devotion to arab nationalism and anti-Semitism.”, geez ”

Good point, Peter. I’m sure you’d agree that this topic sometimes brings out angry typing, and I’m not immune to overreaction. Sorry.

By: Peter D

Peter D — Fri, 06 Feb 2009 04:48:44 +0000

Well, MZ, I guess your latest comment is somewhat of an improvement over “your selective ignorance is almost as spectacular as your devotion to arab nationalism and anti-Semitism.”, geez
It’s been my experience that rightwingers are much more adept at understanding where leftwingers are coming from than the other way around, but I hope you will prove my theory wrong.
How about this: my schooling in Israel was in a yeshiva tikhonit and I spent a lot of time in the company of settlers and dati leumi. Do you reckon I could be adept at understanding where the rightwingers are coming from?

By: Madzionist

Madzionist — Fri, 06 Feb 2009 03:39:56 +0000

I guess round and round is the appropriate title of this thread, eh Peter? Suffice to say, we will both be able to present arguments and links that are backed up by sources we consider serious that support our opinions. The “google” game of link playing gets old after awhile, and I’m getting bored with this.

Bottom line: I have read and clearly understand both sides of the argument we are having, and have concluded that you are wrong and I am right. Odds are you have done the same in reverse. Bottom line: I absolutely, 100% believe that the Land of Israel is the exclusive, eternal, immutable inheritance of the Jewish people, and it is our obligation as Jews to settle and possess it…all of it. You feel the opposite is true.

Get it, got it, good.

Now, I will concede this point: The two state solution is an absurd idea, and if one wants to make an intelligent argument it must be either in support of an international state of all humans, or a Jewish State exclusively for Jews.

I hope you understand that it is possible to advocate for a Jewish State without being hateful of gentiles, just as I do understand that it is possible to be an advocate for an international state for all humans without hating Jewish people.

However, our positions are obviously radically different, and this will likely lead to more heated exchanges in the future. It’s been my experience that rightwingers are much more adept at understanding where leftwingers are coming from than the other way around, but I hope you will prove my theory wrong. I’m not holding my breath, but we shall see where the chips fall.

Cheers!

By: Peter D

Peter D — Fri, 06 Feb 2009 03:05:22 +0000

He was no radical leftist, just an anti-clerical. If you think he “awoke from his mental illness”, why not ask him whether he thinks now that the “arabs [...] scarcely dotted the barren landscape prior to the waves of Aliyah”. In fact, try to find one serious historian saying that. Just don’t be surprised if you’d are ridiculed or if your nom de plume is taken literally.

By: Madzionist

Madzionist — Thu, 05 Feb 2009 19:52:29 +0000

Sorry, meant Porath by “him” in the 2nd paragraph above.

By: Madzionist

Madzionist — Thu, 05 Feb 2009 19:50:57 +0000

Do I need to feed you too?

No, your ample supplies of revisionist history and arab propaganda has me quite full, thank you! I clicked to your link from Chomsky in which he bases his theory largely on the work of Finklestein – it is not an illusion, my friend.

BTW, the book you so jubilently quote from him as a “moderate rightwinger” was authored at a time when he was a radical leftist like Chomsky. It was several years later when he miraculously awoke from this mental illness and became a rightwing nationalist. Perhaps there is hope for you yet, Peter!

By: Peter D

Peter D — Thu, 05 Feb 2009 19:36:06 +0000

Your reading glasses must be really fogged, MZ. Several characters to the right… warm… warmer… bingo! a link to the article by Porath that is mentioned in Chomsky’s piece. Az okh un vey, do I need to feed you too?

By: Madzionist

Madzionist — Thu, 05 Feb 2009 19:22:25 +0000

Peter, you provided this link: http://www.chomsky.info/books/power01.htm

If it ain’t Chomsky it sure is a good fake! Also, Finklestein is repeatedly referenced in the article for his “expertise”, my friend.