Comments on: Winter Warz http://falsedichotomies.com/2008/12/27/winter-warz/ LITERATURE HIP-HOP ISRAEL INDIA LOVE MISCELLANY Mon, 07 May 2012 17:58:59 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.1.1 By: stephen hoffman http://falsedichotomies.com/2008/12/27/winter-warz/comment-page-1/#comment-222 stephen hoffman Tue, 30 Dec 2008 13:35:36 +0000 http://falsedichotomies.com/?p=120#comment-222 peter israel is not trying to kill arabs , it is trying to kill hamas yes there will be civilian casualties on the palestinian side but whilst this is a tragedy it is clearly hamas fault . they hide and fire from civilian areas and use civilians as cannon fodder- they have even killed an israeli arab yesterday. your statement is extremely stupid thus your the idiot not me . hamas started this and israel need to deal a crushing blow to hamas i would expect the same if the south of england was attacked. what next - will you give me tips to listen to ilan pappe who is dangerously crossing the line to self hating jew . peter israel is not trying to kill arabs , it is trying to kill hamas yes there will be civilian casualties on the palestinian side but whilst this is a tragedy it is clearly hamas fault . they hide and fire from civilian areas and use civilians as cannon fodder- they have even killed an israeli arab yesterday. your statement is extremely stupid thus your the idiot not me .

hamas started this and israel need to deal a crushing blow to hamas i would expect the same if the south of england was attacked. what next – will you give me tips to listen to ilan pappe who is dangerously crossing the line to self hating jew .

]]> By: Peter D http://falsedichotomies.com/2008/12/27/winter-warz/comment-page-1/#comment-215 Peter D Mon, 29 Dec 2008 16:07:41 +0000 http://falsedichotomies.com/?p=120#comment-215 Yeah, Stephen Hoffman, Hamas is in the wrong and so let's just kill a bunch of Arabs so that we feel better about it. Forsooth, a wise person learns from other's mistakes while an idiot doesn't learn from his own. Alex, <a href="http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/1048931.html" rel="nofollow">here is a good link to use, if you like</a>: Shmuel Zakai (my former commander, btw), showing he's ten times smarter than our politicians. Tragically, Israel will be forced to do just what he is talking about after another pile of bodies satisfied the killing instincts on both sides. Yeah, Stephen Hoffman, Hamas is in the wrong and so let’s just kill a bunch of Arabs so that we feel better about it. Forsooth, a wise person learns from other’s mistakes while an idiot doesn’t learn from his own.
Alex, here is a good link to use, if you like: Shmuel Zakai (my former commander, btw), showing he’s ten times smarter than our politicians. Tragically, Israel will be forced to do just what he is talking about after another pile of bodies satisfied the killing instincts on both sides.

]]> By: stephen hoffman http://falsedichotomies.com/2008/12/27/winter-warz/comment-page-1/#comment-207 stephen hoffman Sat, 27 Dec 2008 18:01:48 +0000 http://falsedichotomies.com/?p=120#comment-207 surely the reason israel went into gaza is the failure of diplomacy - ie they should have never had a ceasefire with hamas - and the whole meetings with olmert and abbas is pointless- it's the failure of diplomacy which has led to this outbreak of violence and as for the blockade-what do you want more weapons in - you hardly mentioned the south of israel in this . also alex please do not compare israel's actions to hamas - israel is not in the wrong here hamas is surely the reason israel went into gaza is the failure of diplomacy – ie they should have never had a ceasefire with hamas – and the whole meetings with olmert and abbas is pointless- it’s the failure of diplomacy which has led to this outbreak of violence and as for the blockade-what do you want more weapons in – you hardly mentioned the south of israel in this . also alex please do not compare israel’s actions to hamas – israel is not in the wrong here hamas is

]]> By: stephen hoffman http://falsedichotomies.com/2008/12/27/winter-warz/comment-page-1/#comment-206 stephen hoffman Sat, 27 Dec 2008 17:58:30 +0000 http://falsedichotomies.com/?p=120#comment-206 alex the blockade was needed for the simple reason every time the crossing was opened hamas used it to bring in rockets and through food packets nitrogen oxide-for too long israel has let 250,000 southern israelies live with constant rocket attacks -80 of them on wednesday -why are they not mentioned -israel had to do something and should have done earlier -as for the civilian deaths -this is plainly hamas's fault ,they indoctrinate their children in schools , they call in their charter for all jews to be thrown in the sea , they use civilian houses schools and other spaces to hide weaponry ,and fire from civilian areas and use them as shields - no wonder then civilians die . as a reporter on sky news said earlier of course after wednesday's barrage of rockets were going to respond - any nation would - it's the equivalent in numbers terms of 2.5 million french people being attacked - the french government would respond and violently . as for flooding the market with israeli goods - call me callous but israel left gaza three years ago- hamas controls gaza - maybe they should stop indoctrinating their children at school - and spending loads on this - there is a good report on this by the taxpayers alliance , stop spending on rockets from iran and other weaponry , and start spending on civilians ,and maybe also shock horror they should also recognise israel - maybe they should build bomb shelters and stuff rather then using their civilians as cannon fodder -until then i see no moral equivalence between the idf and hamas. as for the air strikes it was a success - most of hamas' security compounds have been taken out - i however am worried about the reluctance to use ground force - yes it will result in deaths- but it was the failure to use the ground force in lebanon which contributed to israel's defeat there - the best wait to take out a guerrila terrorist force is through torturous trench warfare- israel might not have a thirst for this - but if they want to get rid of the rockets for a sustained period of time i feel this is the way. if israel doesn't do this their will be a clamour from the israeli far right to reoccupy gaza-and i dont see this as a viable or desired option. alex the blockade was needed for the simple reason every time the crossing was opened hamas used it to bring in rockets and through food packets nitrogen oxide-for too long israel has let 250,000 southern israelies live with constant rocket attacks -80 of them on wednesday -why are they not mentioned -israel had to do something and should have done earlier -as for the civilian deaths -this is plainly hamas’s fault ,they indoctrinate their children in schools , they call in their charter for all jews to be thrown in the sea , they use civilian houses schools and other spaces to hide weaponry ,and fire from civilian areas and use them as shields – no wonder then civilians die .

as a reporter on sky news said earlier of course after wednesday’s barrage of rockets were going to respond – any nation would – it’s the equivalent in numbers terms of 2.5 million french people being attacked – the french government would respond and violently .

as for flooding the market with israeli goods – call me callous but israel left gaza three years ago- hamas controls gaza – maybe they should stop indoctrinating their children at school – and spending loads on this – there is a good report on this by the taxpayers alliance , stop spending on rockets from iran and other weaponry , and start spending on civilians ,and maybe also shock horror they should also recognise israel – maybe they should build bomb shelters and stuff rather then using their civilians as cannon fodder -until then i see no moral equivalence between the idf and hamas.

as for the air strikes it was a success – most of hamas’ security compounds have been taken out – i however am worried about the reluctance to use ground force – yes it will result in deaths- but it was the failure to use the ground force in lebanon which contributed to israel’s defeat there – the best wait to take out a guerrila terrorist force is through torturous trench warfare- israel might not have a thirst for this – but if they want to get rid of the rockets for a sustained period of time i feel this is the way. if israel doesn’t do this their will be a clamour from the israeli far right to reoccupy gaza-and i dont see this as a viable or desired option.

]]> By: Alex http://falsedichotomies.com/2008/12/27/winter-warz/comment-page-1/#comment-205 Alex Sat, 27 Dec 2008 14:00:37 +0000 http://falsedichotomies.com/?p=120#comment-205 "A wiser policy would be the opposite of a blockade, flooding the market with Israeli goods in order to weaken Hamas’ control." Ha, so Hamas can easily get money and components for building rockets. Really good idea. You need to understand. The only idea of Hamas is to destroy Israel. They don't need peas. They getting money from Iran and so on only for war. Each ceasefire will not be used to improve life of Palestinians in Gaza. It will be used only to bring more weapon and train more terrorists. The money Hamas will get will be newer use to build schools or hospitals or factories, or to bay medicines. It will be only used to bay more weapons. “A wiser policy would be the opposite of a blockade, flooding the market with Israeli goods in order to weaken Hamas’ control.”
Ha, so Hamas can easily get money and components for building rockets. Really good idea.
You need to understand. The only idea of Hamas is to destroy Israel. They don’t need peas. They getting money from Iran and so on only for war. Each ceasefire will not be used to improve life of Palestinians in Gaza. It will be used only to bring more weapon and train more terrorists. The money Hamas will get will be newer use to build schools or hospitals or factories, or to bay medicines. It will be only used to bay more weapons.

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